The Greatest Footballer Who Never Played Revisited

Speaker: Javier: Louis: Javier: Louis: Javier: Louis: Javier: We've covered many PRETENDERS on this show. But the guy we're talking about today takes the prize, in my opinion. He didn't commit any crimes that I know of. Yet, he fooled everyone in Brazil and the professional soccer world for decades. Today's episode features the story of Carlos Henrique Raposo, Better known as Kaiser, the greatest footballer never to play the game.. That's right, this guy is a legend in Brazil, yet he some how managed to never play. He partied like a star player, he talked like a player, he even managed to sign for numerous teams during his decade-long career, yet he never actually played a regular game. How is that possible? Well, it's all told in a 2015 documentary I watched recently titled "Kaiser! The Greatest Footballer Never to Play Football." No, this is not an ad. I just watched it and haven't been able to stop talking about it. I've made my friends watch it. And now, I'm going to talk your ear off about it too. In fact, I hopped on a call with the film's producer to get the inside scoop. Even if you're not a soccer fan, you're going to find this story facinating. Trust me. I'm Javier Leiva and this is PRETEND...Stories about real people pretending to be someone else. ///INTRO///Introduction and Interview Setup Javier: Discovering the Wild Story of Kaiser

Javier: So Louis, how did you first come across this wild story?

Speaker: And he's right. Like I mentioned in the intro, Carlos Kaiser is a legend in Brazil. And like all legends, it's hard to tell fact from fiction. When a colleague told producer Louis Miles about Kaiser, he couldn't believe it.

Louis: Rob told us this story about how he'd, uh, Reddit one day and found this incredible story about a guy who'd never played football, but had been a footballer for 26 years,

Speaker: and the story was mad. This guy had signed contracts with all these famous clubs in Brazil. He'd do anything to get a contract, anything not to play a game, including faking injuries and hosting all these, um, ridiculous parties and be becoming sort of, um, the center of life. Yeah, a legend, like the center of the life in Rio de Janeiro, I do know a guy called Tim Vickery. He's a pretty famous football commentator that lives in. Brazil, The Legend of Carlos Henrique Kaiser Louis: I said, tell us everything, you know, about Carlos Henrique Hapozo, um, also known as Kaiser and the smile on his face. Could have lit up any room and he said, now he said, I've lived in Rio de Janeiro for 21 years and that's the best story I've ever heard. and we said, well, how much is true? He said, no one knows. And that's the point because it is folklore. It is legend. And he said, if you could crack that story, it's the, it's the, it's the kind of key to everything because it's just so much more than just football story. First things first... Louis Myles and his team had to fly to Brazil and look for Kaiser. and we were either going to come back with a movie or the most expensive. Vacation of all time.

Javier: Exactly. And did you even know the language? Did you speak Portuguese?

Louis: I didn't speak a word of Portuguese. And so it's been, I mean, it, it became like this huge part of all of our lives really, we sort of had an inkling that we, we could probably get him and we didn't know if we would,

Speaker: The Rio Adventure Begins

Louis: and then we found Kaiser sort of three or four days in

Speaker: Finding Kaiser was just half the battle. Somehow, they had to convince him to take part in this documentary. So they got an idea. Party

Louis: and we had hired we'd hired at this massive party. uh, apartment right opposite Sugarloaf Mountain. And so we were like, brilliant. What we'll do is we'll get. all the booze in, all the alcohol in, you know, we'll get some music up, you know, we'll go to town here, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be

Javier: it a way to lure him in?

Louis: Yeah, yeah, just thinking, well, he must be the party animal, right? Because all of his stories were about, you know, many, many women and, you know, all these huge parties and carnival and all the rest of it.

Speaker: And it worked... the soccer legend showed up. Kaiser, who is much older these days, walked in wearing aviator sunglasses and was sporting a long jet black mullet. And um, he sort of came in and we offered him whatever, and he said, I've never drunk alcohol in my life. And we're like, okay, well, that's kind of not what we're expecting. and then we. Started talking about how a deal could work for a film, what we wanted to do. And we were pretty open and saying that we don't know how this is going to go, but these are incredible stories. This is kind of like, um, you know, uh, how to, how to fake it in an industry where it's almost impossible to fake it.

Javier: Yeah. And not only in an industry, but in a country that takes so much pride in football. I mean, like, it's part of their national identity.

Louis: Yeah. So for your listeners, I mean, like the period that he operated in was sort of mid eighties to mid two thousands, right? So I mean, 26 years. Brazil, um, had won two World Cups, several Copa Americas.

Speaker: And the Brazilian league is really strong, right? Because it produces all these players. So you can't just go and sign contracts for the likes of Flamengo and Vasco Fluminense and all these clubs without being any good because they're really good, Parties with celebs

Louis: he spent I spent two and a half hours telling us the best stories I've ever heard in my life of which 95 percent of them could never go in a book or a film because,it was him having either tricking or having a great time with very famous people. uh, well, also he was telling us stories about, you know, him being the football pitch and how actually he was a great player and it was all a bit of a thing to go and get some publicity or the rest of it. And, what we kind of worked out in the end was that all the stuff about football was total nonsense and all the stuff with the very famous people, more than likely true.

Speaker: people like George Michael from when would turn up in Rio de Janeiro and Kaiser would show them a good time for the weekend we, we, we were out in a, in a bar one night and this lady just turned up out of nowhere saying, it's the beautiful man. It's the beautiful man. Oh, he was the best. He was the best sex of my life. And then she got the photos out and it was, him, George Michael So, and then there was affairs with really famous Brazilian singers with super famous tennis players from around the world who'd all come to Rio and they'd all know that they would all end up with Kaiser cause he would be the guy to go to.

Louis: And then he said, we must we must have dinner. Um, so we're okay. Okay, fine. So then we went to one of the most prestigious restaurants in Rio. We thought we got there and the queue was through the roof. It's a three hour wait. Um, and then, um, we were thinking, well, we'll just go somewhere else.

Speaker: We don't mind, whatever. And within two minutes, Kaiser got us the best seat in the house. And we were weighted upon, uh, like we were royalty, you know, right at the front, best spot, best everything, loads of free gifts, all the

Javier: you're saying, like, even today he has that

Louis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we saved a lot of money on food throughout the production because we could almost walk into any restaurant.

Speaker: Yeah, because his currency was that. he, he became the king of Rio. He was this kind of center of, you know, of cultural life there.

Louis: we did a shoot with him and it was very funny.

Speaker: He told us these incredible stories about how he tricked mafia bosses and, um, how he would fake his injuries and about his famous friends and about having orgies with Italian prime ministers and all this sort of stuff. We, we raised a lot of money to go on this trip. We've got a great interview with this guy. It was very funny.

Evidence: Myth vs Legend

Louis: we're finding it funny. Um, but you're kind of thinking, well, the race is cash, but we have no real proof here, like this is, you know,

Javier: Like you're only getting the, the wild stories

Louis: from people that, you know,

Javier: are not very credible. Maybe

Louis: yeah, yeah. And then, and then, then we managed to get to Carlos Alberto Torres, who's, you know, very significant figure in world soccer, right.

Speaker: and go to his office and. He just says, yeah, I had him at two of my clubs. I signed him. Never played him, um, but he was around, causing all this havoc and all the rest of it, and the beauty of this story is, you don't know what's true or not. but he was there. I had him. I didn't, you know, necessarily want him around, but he was good for the group and he was all this sort of stuff. And then, um, and then you think, well, okay, now we've, we've probably got something. And then you start interviewing more footballers who bring their bit, their photos of them together or the rest of it. And you're like, well, no, this is, you know, He's there, he's definitely doing this stuff. During the course of the next 18 months, Louis Myles and the production team went on a wild ride interviewing everyone and anyone who may have encounter Kaiser during this time period trying to piece a timeline of this man's life. And it turns out, he reallty did trick some of these clubs in Rio to sign him. He really was a futball player. And he really was protected by the Brazillian mafia. this probably could only happen if we were at Rio de Janeiro. I'm not sure it could happen anywhere

Javier: don't even think it could happen again. Like it's like he pulled this incredible stunt.

Louis: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: but what we ended up finding out was that quite a lot of the stories he was saying was being repeated by other people. Um, and they didn't really deviate too much, but then when you push a little bit further, it's quite hard to get anything else out of them. Um, and then, so we were starting to wonder, is he setting people up here? Like people seem to be holding it back a bit. So then we started to go and try and find our own interviewees, like really separate from him, not telling him, like coming over like a few days early. So he wouldn't know we were there and the rest of it, but he would always find out within a few hours.

Javier: Do it. Ring him up.

Speaker: Louis:

Javier: I think the audience is going to wonder this guy pulled off this incredible stunt. Right. But could he actually even play football? I mean, like, was he athletic or had any talent whatsoever?

Speaker: Kaiser's Football Fakery

Louis: So the story goes that Kaiser was, um, absolutely terrible at football.

Speaker: if Kaiser turned up, no one wanted him on his team because he couldn't kick a ball. He had a problem with the ball. He was that bad. Um, absolutely terrible, right? how did he get in clubs?

Louis: So how he did it, uh, with clubs was, he would Find a way in, the initial way in is that he looked a lot like a footballer called Renato Gaucho.

Speaker: Um, who is, um, a very famous Brazilian footballer, but he was a really good footballer, kind of like the star boy of Brazilian footballer in the eighties. And Kaiser looked a lot like Renato. They had the same sort of mullet at the back of the head, all the glasses, uh, they all look good. Um, and so Colleaser was going around Rio de Janeiro pretending to be Renato in nightclubs to pick up women, right? And people believed it. They would look so similar, that was it.

Javier: Yeah. I remember this, this one scene in the movie. It was one of my favorite ones that sticks in my memory. Kaiser shows up. They think it's the other footballer and, and then he shows up trying to get into the club and he's like, no, that you're already in there.

Louis: So, Renato Gaucho is at the bouncer, one of the most famous people in Brazil, he's not allowed in the nightclub because they believe he's already in there at his table, but Kaiser's entertaining in there, right? So, um, and Renato gets wind of this, obviously, because of that, those scenes, and, um, meets Kaiser, but instead of getting angry at him, thinks, well, the brass tacks on this guy, he's amazing, like, you know, that's, that fair play is amazing.

Speaker: Um, so they become really good friends. But during this time period, Kaiser wasn't a professional footballer... at least not yet. He was just living the life of one. Kaiser likes footballer's life

Louis: Kaiser then really likes. the idea of a footballer's life. Now, I don't think Kaiser was poor, um, but he, uh, he certainly wasn't rich.

Speaker: in that time in Brazil, if you wanted to become rich, you kind of had to become a lawyer, become, you know, really good at business or become a footballer. So instead of doing that to make money, Kaiser pretended to be Harnasso and pretended to be a footballer. To try and get all the best bits of life to live that footballer's lifestyle. And so he became friends with a lot of footballers because Renato plays for the Brazilian national team. and then he likes it so much. He thinks, well, actually, I wouldn't mind being part of a football team and all the rest of it. So he manages to convince, Then to give him a trial. Now, you can clubs gave trials all the time on the rest of it. And if you showed any sort of aptitude, then you were likely to be given, a two week trial contract. so that would happen quite a lot. He would go in there. The Art of Deception in Brazilian Football

Louis: He was fit enough to do all the sprinting and all the running and all the rest of it look really good. And so he would join on those fitness sessions. Blast those really well. He's very charming. He's got a lot of good chat. Um, uh, people liked him around, so I was really excited, but then when the ball came out, um, he knew he'd be no good.

Speaker: So he'd pull up injured, but then he would always make sure he would do it when the two week contract was nearly at the end. And the law at the time in Brazil, um, was that if you passed your two week contract, they had to give you a three month one and be as an official footballer. There was, there was obviously doubt in the mind of the people looking at him because he's not been seen with the ball, but he's quite fit. He's good with the people. Everyone seems to like him. It's probably not worth, you know, not paying him a small amount of money to stay on. and then he'd get the three month contract. So then he's in, right? Then he's in a football club. and he's not getting paid very much, but he has a professional footballers card. And at that point, he can then go into town and go and get all the things that he would want. So he would go and get free food by saying, Hey, I have this professional footballer's load. I'm a footballer. I play for the famous Fluminense, don't you know? And all the rest of it. Uh, and then it would be, and then he would take out the players and then they would be in the really top restaurants and in the bars and the nightclubs. And then they would start asking him to do all this stuff. And then his network started that now he's got influence. Kaiser's Network and Influence

Louis: He's got cultural influence amongst the whole city. but then obviously, as soon as you start playing with the football, he was terrible and they had to kick him off, right?

Speaker: Um, but

Javier: only fake your injury so many times, right?

Louis: but he would move. He would move. So then he would have one real card and then, um, he would then fake up other cards from other clubs because he knew that would work.

Speaker: But then you'd only need one or two players to recommend a coach or a scout to say, well, look, he's worth giving a go. Right. and then he would try his next trick and then, he would just move from club to club to club really, really regularly. mafia

Louis: Like, he didn't care. That's why he totted up so many clubs. He had over like 30 clubs, you know, around the world. And that's how Carlos Kaiser invaded the professional football world in Brazil. But if he plans to keep this ruse going, he's going to some defense. And that coverage came in the form of the brazilian mafia.

Speaker: We;ll get into it, after the break.

Louis: Carlos Kaiser conned his way into many clubs. at some point, the players and managers had to know he was a phony. But sometimes, they didn't seem to care.

Speaker: And certain clubs, they really took to him. So, I mean, the famous story with him is a club called Bangu, They were a very small club, uh, historically, but at the time they were owned by a guy called Castor de Andrade, who is, uh, or was the most dangerous man in Brazil. And he, uh, was the head of a, an illegal gambling game called, uh, Jogo de Bicho. The Origins of Jogo do Bicho

Louis: Um, and Jogo do Bicho is, um, an animal sort of gambling game played on every street corner in Brazil.

Speaker: Jogo (jo-go do bicho) do Bicho is an illegal yet popular Brazilian lottery where players bet on animals. each animal is linked to a set of numbers, with the winning animal determined by the official lottery's last digits. Instead of placing bets through the official government lottery, people are betting in the black market through Jogo do Bicho. It's an underground system run by illegal bookmakers and the mafia. If you got the right animals that day, you would win the numbers and all the rest of it, but it's still illegal in Brazil, but it's still played in every street corner. So Castro run that alongside a lot of other things. Jogo do Bicho is often linked to organized crime and corruption, including involvement from the Brazilian mafia and other criminal elements. Since the game is illegal, it operates outside of government regulation, creating an opportunity for underground networks to control and profit from it. Over time, powerful criminal organizations have taken over parts of the Jogo do Bicho operations, particularly in major cities like Rio de Janeiro. These groups often manage the logistics of the game, handle the money, and ensure payouts, creating a highly organized structure behind what might seem like a simple street-level betting system. Castor de Andrade - BANGU

Louis: Castor de Andrade was leader of all the main bicheiros of the city of Rio de Janeiro,[2] and had more than 100 policemen and a number of public servants, prominent politicians, and judges working for him. Castor was also very involved in the Brazilian Carnival and in soccer—

Speaker: Kaiser's Antics at Bangu and Kaiser got invited into Bangal, did his usual came in, bought in, all the fun, all the party used to bring a bus full of women to training. Let Castor loved him because he would start sorting things out for Castor and running errands for him and all those sorts of things. The Infamous Friendly Match Incident

Louis: and then it comes to the, the, the time after a couple of months in that they've got a friendly match.

Speaker: Kastor wants Kaiser to play. He's fed up with him being injured. And so, um, he gets the coach to find him the night before and cut the Kaisers in a nightclub. And, um, he says, you've got to be, you've got to play tomorrow, but don't worry, you'll be on the bench. And he said, but you know, I'm injured. This is outrageous. This is breaking Brazilian law and all the rest of it. He was very good, very quick with his, his chap. and he said, look, you just got to be there. He's he's Dr. Kastor. You know, what happens if you cross him and, you know, Ergo, the insinuation is you won't be around the next day if you don't do what he says. You know, he's a dangerous man for a reason.

Javier: Right.

Louis: he's on the bench and they go to nail down very quickly. And then Castor Dean Durage rings up the coach from the stands and says, I've had enough of this, get our star striker on the pitch. Now I want to see him. So. Kaiser's filled with anxiety, and he's been sent up to warm up to go on. And he's thinking, I can't do this. This is terrible. I'm going to be caught here. You know, you see how bad I am. I'm out. I've lost my ruse here. I'm actually enjoying it, this place. I like it. And so he's running up and down the sideline, warning up and he hears some fans. Swearing him, singing and swearing him, saying he's terrible and the rest of it. so he thinks, he senses his moment, he climbs the fence, jumps over the fence and punches the main fan in the face. And then the referee comes over, breaks it all up, and then sends Kaiser off the pitch. he's caused this havoc. He ends up in the dressing room at halftime. Then heavies turn up, uh, and they're about to, you know, really go for him.

Speaker: Kaiser's Quick Thinking Saves the Day

Louis: And before they even get a chance to speak, and this is always the way with Kaiser, he's already worked out what to do. And he starts saying, Doctor, Doctor, I love you so much. And your friendship means everything to me. And I hope you've really enjoyed my time here. And I know you must think the world of me now, and I would accept me if you sack me today and send me away.

Speaker: Um, but I just wanted you to know that what those people were saying about you was wrong. You're not a drug trafficker and you didn't kill those people last week and I had to defend your honor so I'm absolutely disgusted. And cast a thought about it, smiled and then gave him a two month contract extension

Javier: Which is mind blowing.

Louis: um, and, and I, it was just, there was, and there was so many little scan every day.

Speaker: There was a scan for him, The Aftermath and Rogério de Andrade Louis: Javier: Louis: Kaiser's Media Manipulation Louis: Javier: Reflections on Kaiser's Legacy

Javier: now that you started putting the pieces together, this story was never told.

Speaker: It was probably told at dinner table conversations. But, and, and it was all whispers and, but no one really put it together until you did. How, now looking back, do you think that the, the football clubs and the managers that he fooled or were involved in the story, do they have resentment towards him or do they, uh, look back and think, Hey, you know, we were in on the ruse too. It was all fun. Like what was their reaction?

Louis: So, um, I think a lot of people didn't want to take part in the film, but it wasn't because they'd been tricked, it's because of what Kaiser brought to the party, if that makes sense.

Speaker: Javier: Louis: so his currency, he never stole money off anyone, or if he did, it would be very minor, but there's no, no track record of him going and defrauding people of thousands of millions of pounds. What he wanted was the currency to keep up his pretense. I give you this small thing. I want some, one small thing back. Right. Carlos Alberto Torres, for instance, said he had more. Influence in Rio de Janeiro and he did. Torres is, um, you're probably one of the top five footballers in Brazil of all time. So for him to say that, you know, he said he couldn't get a dinner table on New Year's Eve. Couldn't do it. Kaiser could, he could get him the best thing or the rest of it. But he couldn't, but even the people that really didn't like him that much or had something to get north, even the people that didn't really, um, had had more taken off in than they felt comfortable with. Couldn't hate him because I think they're respected. How he'd done it and all of those sort of things. he's the best con man of all time, but he's not a psychopath. Um, because he managed to keep up for 26 years. And he then had to go and speak to a load of other people as well. And he said, I can't find anyone who really hates him. Usually in these stories. someone gets really hurt, um, and no one really gets hurt, and I'm sure there must be some people at some time in his life, you know, um, and, you know, you're only talking to a limited pool of, I should imagine, hundreds of thousands of people he's interacted with. the beauty of Kaiser was that, um, he kept it up for so long, like his story does genuinely span all this time. yeah, so is no, no one really, really hated him that much, you

Javier: And was anyone ever really fooled? I mean, even while all this is happening when he's

Louis: Well, I think, no, I think people went along with it. It can happen in Rio de Janeiro because of there's a thing called Carioca, right?

Speaker: and they have, uh, traditionally a certain way or Ginga, as they say in Brazil, way of moving, way of being where it was a bit late. They're really good at storytelling. They come in the life of the party when they're there and you can forgive them for their, you know, trespasses because of their charm and their wit and all the rest of it. even though he did play at clubs in Sao Paulo and all the rest of it, but once he's in the football community. I'm not sure, it definitely wouldn't happen outside of Brazil. I'm not sure it would happen in Manaus or Recife or anywhere like that. I think it could happen in Rio, in that place where these stories come from. The Documentary's Impact and Kaiser's Health

Javier: it's it's an incredible story, but you know It took a turn for me like towards the end because you have this larger than life character I mean he's living the life of a the best athlete, but also maybe the best celebrity in the world. I mean, he has everything he ever wanted. And then all of a sudden, you know, that, lifestyle can only last for so long.

Speaker: And his. Life now is so different, right? Like the way he is, you alluded to the fact that his health is not so great right now. And can you tell me about that? And like, is, is he having like the ultimate midlife crisis where he's looking back at his life because he lived such a great life and thinking, wow, you know, it's all downhill from here. Yeah.

Louis: uh, without revealing too much about twists of the film or the rest of it, Um, we're making a documentary, not a drama, and we always sensed that there was something else there to pull out a little bit, And eventually we confronted him with, you know, some realities that we had found out and it kind of broke him really.

Speaker: that's when I knew we had a real film because, and the story was, and I really got the whole point of what this is because here's a guy who's been, I mean, he's, he's just turned 60 actually the other week. for all of his life, he's lived a lie. and he's never had to front up to that. and also at the same time, all of his friends that he was. Looking good and being with, you know, it's great to be around in the, in the eighties and nineties because they're really famous and he's exiting all the parties that they can access and they're all having a great time and everyone looks young and lovely and all the rest of it, but then there comes a point where everyone ages, and then life takes a turn. what, what, what do you do when you can't be a fake footballer anymore and you can't pretend to be a fake footballer anymore? Like, you know, at the end of, by the time he was sort of late thirties, he couldn't really do it anymore. and so his life had had to change. and you know, you see it now. I mean, I, I dunno about you, but I see it now. I'm in my early forties now and I'm not culturally relevant anymore and I'm not in the hottest parts of town and I'm not doing all these sort of things. So there's a bit of reality that you have to come to yourself here and, and this film, I guess, was the second win for him. but then when you're confronted with like, well, Hey, what's true and what's not all the rest of it, I think it kind of hurt him, you know, and then I realized what, what is, what is this whole thing about? The Nature of Storytelling and Truth

Louis: And it's not about the truth, but it's about, do you actually need characters like this? In our society, in who we are, do you need these mega storytellers that do these crazy things? Do you seek to be around people that can live a life you never can? and I found that fascinating because, and that's why people like, I mean, you run a series called Pretend, right?

Speaker: I think people like these films because they're doing the things you would love to do. But you can never imagine doing, Javier: Louis: we didn't know what was true and what wasn't. And then you work out the truth doesn't really mean anything. It's just what people believe of their own truth.

Javier: How do they feel at the

Louis: Yeah, exactly. And then at that point, we, we had, we, I never wanted to know, in the end.

Speaker: The story is, the power of a story, you know, he could tell a lie three times and it becomes the truth and becomes so powerful that everyone else in the world believes it. and everyone, everyone repeat it. And then that power, the power of that story can do make such an amazing world. I hope you enjoyed this story as much as I did. You can stream Kaiser! The Greatest Footballer Never to Play Football on Amazon Prime. Louis Myles also has a new documentary out titled, "Mighty Penguins' It follows the players of Brentford Penguins, a team made up of players with Down's Syndrome, and their families as they prepare to be the guard of honour at a Premier League match. It's a funny, heart-warming film about the transformative power of sport. The film PREMIERED at the Tribeca Film Festival in 2023 is currently doing the festival circuit and is not yet streaming. MUSIC (2-3 SECONDS)SHOWNOTES

Louis: So that's it for today's episode. Next time on PRETEND... we're going to talk to a man who got busted for insider trading. he made his company over a million dollars.

Tom Hardin: what did I actually get to that million? It was 46, And at 29 years old, that was the price of professional suicide. When you think about your entire career, potential earnings. 46, 000 really just at the start of my career.

Speaker: 29 was what I threw it all the way for. What happens when greed takes over your life and you get busted. Not all white collar criminals are bernie madoffs. Most of these offenders throw away their lives for a few thousand bucks. So what happens when they get caught? They have no where to go. But did you know, there's a white collar support group. jeff-grant_1_10-02-2024_111932: People find us at all different stages. Some people are, find us in their two years before they're even arrested. Some people find us ten years after they've come home from prison.

Tom Hardin: That's right. A support group for con artists and the likes. That's next time on PRETEND.

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