S311: The Prophet – Matthew Fenner vs. the Word of Faith Fellowship Cult Part 2

Javier: At the Word of Faith Fellowship, deliverance is not something you ask for. You get it whether you like it or not. It's Sunday night after the evening service. It's cold outside, but inside the Word of Faith Fellowship sanctuary, the temperature is rising. Tonight, it's Matthew Fenner's turn to receive deliverance and release the devils controlling his homosexual desires. I'm Javier Leva, and this is season three, The Prophets Let's define gay as the Word of Faith Fellowship sees it. Let's say a man speaks to another man. Maybe he looks at him for too long or laughs at his joke. That could be considered gay. Maybe you're standing too close. It doesn't matter. If I'm a Word of Faith Fellowship member and I think you're gay, well, then you're gay. I don't have to prove it. I just know. And I can't let you suffer with those gay demons either. Oh, no. I have to pray for you to get those gay spirits out of your body. And the way we pray at the Word of Faith Fellowship is through loud prayer. And it's not just me praying for you. Susie, Bobby, Roger, they're all gonna join in. And pretty soon, you'll have 20 to 30 people screaming at you. And like Jane told me, people could get carried away. So it's easy to imagine that this prayer can become a little bit more than just a scream. I might hold onto your shoulders and give you a gentle tug. Then I might punch you in the chest, and maybe my hands will creep further up. And before I realize it, my fingers are wrapped around your neck This hypothetical scenario that I just painted for you is exactly what Matthew Fenner says happened to him Witnesses say Matthew was leaving prayer service one night when nearly two dozen people surrounded him in the sanctuary. He said they slapped, punched, choked, and screamed at him for hours. He claims they did this to expel his homosexual demons.

Danielle Cordes: Like, sometimes there was, they called corporate prayer, where everyone would pray together. So that night was not one of those nights.

Javier: This is Danielle Cordes. She was there that night the church members decided it was time to pray over Matthew Fenner's gay sins. Remember, this is after the evening service, not the happy-go-lucky ceremony I witnessed in the morning. The evening service is a little bit more intimate and damning. No visitors are allowed, and I've been told that Sunday night is a time when Jane and her ministers unleash their anger at the congregation. It's also during this time when older ministers can deal with younger members like Matthew for their sins.

Danielle Cordes: One by one, they all started going over there, and then finally Brooke yells to me across the sanctuary and is like, "Get over here and pray for Matthew."

Javier: Tonight's deliverance was led by Brooke Covington, Jane's so-called adopted daughter. Danielle says she was the one calling all the shots.

Danielle Cordes: Brooke was the one there telling them the whole way, you know, coaching them through it. And, like, the worst part is if we didn't do it and we didn't participate, which I didn't to the extent that they did, I never slapped him or did any of that. I had my arm on him. But if I had, like... I don't know, I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. You know, y- I- I knew that if I didn't participate enough, that I was the next one in the chair, and no one wanted that, you know? So I mean, it- it's terrifying.

Javier: And people who know Brooke's style of worship say that she doesn't have time to deal with your devils. So when it's time to pray over you, it's gonna hurt. Brooke barks at Danielle and demands her to join in. Danielle was terrified.

Danielle Cordes: They don't know how to talk to someone. They only scream at you. "Are you gonna let his sin drive him out of here?" Meaning drive him out of the church. And so I was like, "Oh, no," you know, 'cause I didn't want him to leave 'cause that would mean I'd never see him again. So I go over there and I have my hand on his back, and we're praying, and it's getting really physical at this point. Like Sarah has her hands on him and is- like pushes him backwards to where the chair tips back, and then yank- like as soon as the chair tips back, 'cause she's standing over him in front of him, like yanks him back towards her. So at this point, like Matthew's face is like changing colors, like he's white.

Javier: This wasn't like a 10-minute prayer session. They say this lasted for hours, and Danielle says that Brooke was orchestrating the whole thing.

Danielle Cordes: Brooke would like... Someone who was like tired in the center who had been praying for him, she would take them out of the center and bring another person in for the next one who had energy.

Javier: Danielle says that Brooke would just rotate people in to attack Matthew. It was nonstop. Danielle says that one guy had his arm wrapped around Matthew and was just beating him in his chest.

Danielle Cordes: He was on Matthew's right side, and he had his arm around Matthew and had his f- hand in a fist and was just beating his chest. And they kept on saying, "You tell us what you did", and he was like, "Nothing", and like started crying. And so then Brooke at that point jerked him up by his arm and then shoved him down the aisle to where he like had to catch himself. Like, I didn't really feel like he could handle much more of this, but they just keep going at it. And, you know, Brooke's like, "I don't care if you have to stay in the sanctuary for three days. I don't care. You're gonna stay in here till you tell your sin."

Javier: I can imagine what's going through Matthew's head. How do I get out of this? If I yell stop, will they actually stop? Can he run for the door? Well, that's not gonna work either because the church has security at the entrance, and the driveway out of the church's compound is just way too long.

Danielle Cordes: Adam Bartley had his hands around his neck and was like squeezing him so tight, and at this point, I was like, "This has got to stop. They're gonna fucking kill him." And I was like, "What do I do? What do I do?" So I was like, "Well, whatever at this point. I'm just gonna do it." And so I stuck my fingers under Adam's hand in between his neck and I peeled him off, and I... So he went to like go forward to tell Brooke that I did that, and I was like, "Wait, wait, wait." I was like, "He had surgery." And he was like, "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know." And I was like, "Whew."

Javier: Eventually, Danielle says that the beating suddenly stopped, then Brooke Covington walked up to Matthew in the foyer. Matthew was cornered by the five ministers charged with the crime. Brooke demanded for Matthew to confess his sins. He told her he had unclaimed dreams about a man, and he hugged him in an ungodly way. Witnesses say that Brooke closed her fist and punched him with her ring digging into his chest. Matthew gets up. They say Brooke then grabs Matthew by one shoulder and pushes him down and yells at him, "You're going back there, and we're going to get this out of you," she says. They begin deliverance. Witnesses say that they grabbed him by the arm, pulled him, punched him in the chest, and Matthew is sitting, crying, wondering how is he gonna get out of this.

Danielle Cordes: They went out like two or three times to the foyer area and tried to get him to tell whatever he was supposed to tell. And then, um, Brooke was like, "It's still not breaking. Let's pray for him again."

Javier: This scene lasted for two hours.

Danielle Cordes: And I mean, I think I got home at like 2:45 AM.

Javier: Matthew just starts thanking everyone for the deliverance, anything to make them stop.

Danielle Cordes: At that point, I was like, if they're going to kill someone, it's definitely gonna be this time because it was just nonstop and, you know, punching him and beating him on the chest and like shoving him back and forth. And, you know, it's just like waves of prayer and, you know, Brooke screaming at him and pulling the next person in to pray for him and-

Javier: It's important to note that Brooke Covington is in her late 50s and the four other ministers charged with the crime were all in their mid-20s. Two of the ministers charged lived with Brooke Covington. Their names were Sarah Anderson and Justin Covington. The other two ministers charged with attacking Matthew are Adam Bartley and Robert Walker

Matthew Fenner: You know, one thing led to the next, and then ultimately it led to me, like, escaping on the 29th of January

Javier: This is Matthew Fenner.

Matthew Fenner: And going to my grandparents' home, and then, you know, living there, and that kinda started a whole new chapter, I guess, in my life.

Javier: The next morning, his mom Linda and another church member showed up at Matthew's grandfather's house.

Matthew Fenner: That night after I left, and, um, just kinda barged in, were just like, "What are you doing? Why are you here?" This, it just being this whole, like, yelling thing. Like, everyone's, like, yelling at us. "Why are you doing this? Why are you here?" You know. "Do you not remember, like, people that walk away from God's, you know, works, like, you know, they'll g- God judgment will come on them." It's like, "You know, you're gonna get cancer again, and you're gonna die if you, like, stay out, if you, like, leave, leave God's place."

Javier: But it was too late. Matthew had already gone to the police, and he was eventually granted a grand jury investigation to determine whether criminal charges should be brought. Typically, these types of proceedings are secret, and the accused should have, like, no knowledge of it. But somehow the word of the grand jury got out to Jane Whaling.

Matthew Fenner: They, like, found out that I had gone before a grand jury, which is supposed to be, like, a secret proceeding. But somehow they knew, and then they, like, showed up the next day and were like, "We wanna meet with these people, too." And, you know, they're like, "We have witnesses that can say the, otherwise to what Matthew's saying."

Javier: They had Matthew's mother and his brother Mattie testify against him.

Matthew Fenner: But anyway, yeah, they had all these people that I care for, like, come in. But yeah, my mom especially came in and was, like, supposed to testify against me saying, "Yeah, he's lying. Like, I have, you know, I have, you know, first-hand knowledge to know that, you know, what he's saying isn't true."

Javier: Maybe the most shocking thing about this whole situation is that the five ministers charged with this crime have been awaiting trial for almost five years now. It's been one delay after another. The trials are currently being held up until the FBI and the SBI finish their investigation It wasn't easy getting to this point. Remember, if this were a football game, the church is up by a lot and the feds and state prosecutors have yet to put points on the board. Only recently have three church members pled guilty for an unemployment scam. How have they dodged so many accusations? Well, is it because they're innocent or is it because Jane Whaley is running all the plays with the local law enforcement?

Nancy Burnette: Originally they came out and interviewed Matthew. And Joey Sisk at the time was the detective, and he was really adamant that, you know, he was gonna do this. And he was shut down. And whenever Matthew asked him why, he said the DA said no and the sheriff said no. I can't do anything they tell me not to do, period.

Javier: This is a secret recording of Matthew talking to the detectives on the case. He wants to know why more serious charges aren't being filed.

Matthew Fenner: You know, I've just been d- doing my research and all, and pretty much what that means is we're only gonna be able to get misdemeanor for what they did. Correct? Uh. Okay. So-

Attorney: The DA, I met with the DA last week.

Matthew Fenner: Right.

Attorney: He read the, he read over your statement.

Matthew Fenner: Okay.

Attorney: He read over Matthew's, and he said the only thing he was willing to prosecute was, was misdemeanors, he wanted. So-

Matthew Fenner: Okay. So basically what he's willing to do... Okay, so if I'm understanding correctly, he's willing just to look at assault by strangulation, you know, slapping, holding me against my will, and say that's just a misdemeanor and just overlook it? That's what he's telling me But I just don't understand why he's willing to overlook my civil rights to be protected, you know, both for a hate crime, for assault by strangulation, which is a felony. All these s- I mean, all these, like, higher up criminal felonies that they've committed. I mean, I literally thought I was going to die that night, and he's willing just to say, "Oh, this is just a misdemeanor assault."

Attorney: That's, that's what he's telling me.

Matthew Fenner: It's just, I don't know. I'm not gonna be like these other people that they're basing their decisions off to just ignore this because they, you know, sucker out of it. These people need to be punished for what they've done, and it makes me sick that these, that they're willing to just overlook my civil rights and just say, you know, "Forget this."

Javier: So Matthew decided he was gonna take matters into his own hands. If authorities weren't going to pursue criminal charges, well, Matthew will find a way to press charges himself. Here's Nancy Burnette.

Nancy Burnette: Matthew, John Huddle, we all always went together because going by yourself up there is just not a smart thing to do. Um, so we would go, you know, in a pack, and we showed up, and I had already told them all, "We're not leaving today without this report." So we went across the street to the DA's office first, and they made us wait 45 minutes. I guess they thought we would leave, and I was like, "We're not leaving, sister. He's gonna see us today." When the DA came in, he was, "I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have a report."

Javier: The DA says that he can't help them without a proper incident report. "

Nancy Burnette: Do you need a report to take action?" "Yep, need a report." I was like, "Okay. All right. So if we bring you a report, you're gonna do something?" "Absolutely." "Okay." We would never been given a report before. I said, "We're going across the street." So we walked right across the street. It's about as far from here as the building over there, maybe 20 or 30 feet from where we are. I don't know.

Javier: Matthew Fenner and his supporters were able to find the one officer who didn't seem influenced or intimidated by the church. His name was Wayne Guffey. He happened to be the sergeant on duty that day.

Nancy Burnette: They let us through the door, walk around the corner, and there was Wayne Guffey. Matthew sat down. He started to tell him what was going on, and he said, not Matthew said, not I said, not anybody else said, he classified this as a felony case, assault by strangulation, kidnapping.

Javier: After years of waiting, they finally got a new incident report, this time with some serious charges attached to it.

Nancy Burnette: We walked in, and we left there with a report that day. We asked for a copy of it. We took it right back across the street and said, "Here's your report." And when he saw us having the report made, I mean, all the wind was just out of his body. He was like, "Oh my God, they've done it." Matthew Fenner waited years before we got his, his report done. He kept saying, "Go to the magistrate." The magistrate would say, "Go to the sheriff." The sheriff would say go... I mean, it was just back and forth constantly, and I've, I've never experienced anything like it in my life.

Javier: Michael Davis, a former Rutherford County investigator, told the AP that this investigation should have taken months. He said they should have interviewed the witnesses. They should have gone to the church. They should have written a report and sent it over to the sheriff. He said that never happened. They just wanted this case to go away, and they never expected Fenner to push so hard. What they didn't realize was that Matthew Fenner was not backing down. Plus, he had the help of Nancy Burnette and his friends. So why would the district attorney at the time delay this investigation? This is Nancy Burnette again.

Nancy Burnette: Brad Greenway was a district attorney there, and he sabotaged cases intentionally.

Javier: This is the same district attorney who's accused of giving Jane a heads-up that a grand jury investigation was coming. But now there's a felony on his desk. He just can't ignore it now. Eventually, the new DA, Ted Bell, called for a new grand jury and was able to indict Brooke Covington and the other church ministers. And while the state is preparing to take the church to court, ex-members say that Jane and her leaders were busy preparing for trial too. Remember I told you that Jane's son-in-law was an assistant district attorney at a nearby county? Yeah, well, his name is Frank Webster. And another assistant district attorney, who's also a Word of Faith member, were accused of holding mock trials for four ministers accused of beating Matthew Fenner. So why is this a problem? Well, because providing legal advice and participating in a mock trial is illegal and could be considered obstruction of justice. Former member Rachel Bryant told the AP that one of the assistant DAs sat in for Matthew Fenner during the mock trial. Then Jane told everyone to stand where they were that night. Rachel said, "Some would point to his head and say, 'I put my hand on him right here.' Then Jane would start screaming, 'No, no, no, you did not do that. Your hand was not on his head.' One by one, they reenacted what occurred that night." Frank Webster and the other assistant DA, both Word of Faith members, resigned their positions as prosecutors, and currently the FBI is looking into the matter The trial against Brooke Covington and the other ministers is expected to resume sometime soon, but I'm not holding my breath So now I'm bringing this season to a close This season I've been talking about the Word of Faith Fellowship and Jane Whaley, but that's not what this season is about. There's an even stronger undercurrent to what is happening here. This season is about a small town in North Carolina where the local government has failed its people. The people here can't trust government to do its job, and if something horrible like this happens, no one can accept it because there's so much perception of corruption. Now, I'm not saying that the police and the sheriff and the DA and the state investigators aren't doing their jobs properly. I'm just saying that even if they were, the public doesn't trust them. Think about it this way. We wouldn't know anything about the Word of Faith Fellowship and all its allegations if the government seriously looked into matters. If secret grand jury investigations weren't leaked to Jane Whaley, if the DA took Matthew Fenner's case seriously and treated it as a hate crime, if dozens of child abuse cases weren't wiped clean because the church made some deal with the Department of Social Services, if the US Attorney's office would have taken action with the dozens of Brazilians accusing the church of forced labor and human trafficking. In order for government to work, there has to be trust, so when something horrible like this happens, how are we supposed to get closure? The church is slipping. Right now, five of its ministers are facing trial. Sure, it's taken five years to actually start the trial, but at least it's moving. And three of the Word of Faith Fellowship members have pled guilty to unemployment scams. Even Jane Whaley herself was named in one of the court documents, and there's even signs that her influence with local politicians is falling apart. Here's a secret recording of a prominent North Carolina politician talking about the church.

North Carolina Republican Politician: So I think I've been there two or three times just for special events. Yeah. And I hated it. I hate going down there. Oh, yeah,

Attorney: yeah.

North Carolina Republican Politician: It's a three-hour ordeal. Uh, they'll take you, and they sit you on the front row, and they have somebody with you all the time. Hmm. And so you can't just get up and go to the bathroom and wander down the hallways. That's not the way that works. Hmm. Which first, that's your first clue that there's something strange here. Uh, when you get out of your car, there's somebody standing there waiting to, to guide you and be with you, sit you on the front row. You have dedicated seats, sit you on the front row. And then they do this, they'll do, like, a kids', uh, uh, singing for you, and it busts your eardrums. You're sitting on the front row, and the kids are screaming when they're singing. And it is torture. I made my daughter go with me one time. She was pissed. Yeah, it's crazy. I

Attorney: mean, I- What are they afraid of? I don't understand what they're so afraid of. What, what's this, all this

North Carolina Republican Politician: security about? If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be afraid of stuff. Right. That's the way I look at it.

Attorney: Yeah.

North Carolina Republican Politician: So, so I, I, I, I know... I, I don't know this for sure, but I have a great feeling that they're probably guilty of what they've been charged of.

Attorney: Hmm.

North Carolina Republican Politician: I w- I would assume that would be, yes. It, uh... it's, you know... And I'll tell you just... And again, I wonder whether it's out for public consumption. Is we're start, we, we've kicked around, you know, how do we, how do we get these folks out of the party? I mean, 'cause we're concerned about it.

Attorney: Yeah.

North Carolina Republican Politician: And, uh, the best, I hate to say it, but the best way to do it is we may start serving beer and wine at every, uh, executive committee we have so they won't come. By that one, you gotta, you gotta go to the bathroom. Yeah. Well, you're gonna get a lot of Democrats showing

Javier: up then. Right. I'm gonna have to leave this story here, but it's certainly not over, not even by a long shot. If this were a play, we're just now at the intermission. There's gonna be a lot coming, and I might follow up and start a podcast devoted to The Prophet, or I may not. I'm not sure. But for now, I have to put a lid on this story. There's plenty of places that you could go to keep up with the story as it unfolds, and I'll list them in my show notes. For one, follow John Huddle's blog, religiouscultsinfo.com, or follow the Citizens Against Corruption and Abuse on Facebook This has been a wild season, and there's more to come in season four. Here is a preview. Remember the White House party crashers?

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Javier: There's only one attorney that I know of who's had the pleasure to stare Jane Whaley in the eye and make her squirm.

Attorney: It, it's my understanding that, um, you are probably one of the few attorneys who have actually- ... um, cross-examined Jane

Javier: Whaley in court.

Attorney: Yes, I, I did. That was, um, I have to confess, the most fun I've ever had as an attorney. Well,

Javier: tell me about that. Like, I, I know nothing about this.

Attorney: This was in the, uh, criminal case that was brought against Jerry Cooper. And what had happened is they were deposing Jerry Cooper during a, um... as part of a, a domestic case that was completely unrelated to him.

Javier: Jerry Cooper is a former member of the Word of Faith Fellowship. Jane claims that Jerry was making harassing phone calls to her. Jane says that he was cyberstalking her with phone calls and text messages. Two years later, the church issued a subpoena to take him to court.

Attorney: Now, you have to understand, Jerry Cooper is a minister in Uganda, okay? Mm-hmm. They somehow had tracked him down, served him with a subpoena to do this deposition.

Javier: Jerry flew back to North Carolina from Uganda, and they went to court, and he asked Paul Deeds to represent him. The day of the deposition, things didn't go very well.

Attorney: And, you know, Word of Faith had all of their leadership there, and their attorneys, and, uh, tried to put on their whole show. Now, I'm not easily intimidated, so I just kind of chuckled at the whole thing. Um, you know, they tried to have their attorney make an opening statement and things like that, and I objected because, you know, the state represents in criminal charges. The DA was there. The assistant DA.

Javier: I was, uh, I was gonna ask. They, they sound like they're playing the role of the DA. I mean-

Attorney: Yeah, they were, they were trying to, but no, the judge wouldn't let them, and the DA wouldn't let them. Um, so eventually they put Jane up on the stand, uh, to talk about her involvement in the case, and I got to cross-examine her. And I really kind of wish that the regular, uh, rank and file membership of the church had been there, because if they would have, really the- The whole thing would have imploded because they would have seen that she is just a human being. You know? She's not this godlike figure that she demands to be treated like. Because, you know, I would ask her a question and she would just kind of ignore the question and start a rambling answer about something completely different. And so I would interrupt her. I'd say, "Ma'am, I'm sorry. No, you can't do that. You need to answer my question." Um, and that really, she's not used to being questioned like that. She's not used to having her authority challenged, and she really kind of just fell apart on the stand. Um, she did not make a compelling witness at all for her cause. And the upshot of it, the trial took a lot longer than it should have. It took probably two or three hours. It was in district court. It was before a judge. It wasn't a jury trial.

Javier: Right.

Attorney: And at the end of the case, the judge found, he dismissed one of the charges that they closed as state's evidence and found him not guilty on the other. Um, and yeah, it felt pretty good to be honest with you.

Javier: And as Jerry Cooper walks out of the courthouse, they served him with a warrant for his arrest.

Attorney: But they served him with that warrant at the end of the deposition. They had a sheriff waiting to serve him, and he was placed under arrest, um, and put in jail and had to make bond.

Javier: But in the end, the court ruled against Jane and the Word of Faith Fellowship.

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